by Leah and Kathryn
The Art of Manliness (AOM) is a website all about what it means to be a man. It is where men who don’t ascribe to the definitions of masculinity that include the mandatory boob-ogling of Maxim or the macho brute-ness and violence of Spike TV go. It is a place for gentlemen to escape to in order to form a community of men who dream of the days when real men fashioned their own corncob pipes, donned stylish overcoats, and focused most of their energy on growing the perfect handlebar mustache. AOM offers an alternative to the more mainstream, dominant expressions of masculinity that stereotypically objectify women and reward men for their most extreme expressions of brutality and prizes bumbling stupidity.
The Art of Manliness definitely should get credit recognizing that there are parts of the dominant culture of masculinity that are restrictive, harmful, limiting and for creating an alternative definition. However, though their intentions may be good, their response drastically misses the mark. Instead of breaking down the man box and creating a completely open definition of masculinity it ends up dressing up traditional, hegemonic masculinity in a snazzy beard and suspenders. It’s the patriarchy’s way of attracting hipsters and those prone to nostalgia for a time that they never actually lived through (and was only perfect and golden for that select group of dick-toting, woman-loving, class privileged, able-bodied, white, Christian folks). And really this website is for men living in the present with those same identities.
According to AOM, the way to be a gentlemen is to be a straight, white dude who has enough of a disposable income to devote to his collection of bow ties and vintage straight razors. The authors (Brett and Kate McKay) believe that modern men have lost the art of manliness. That these days no one is taking the time to invest in teaching young boys and men how to be manly; that it is tragic that no one is teaching men why it’s important to carry a handkerchief or the appropriate way for a man to wear jewelry.
Now, don’t get me wrong, there are some pretty cool and helpful tips that they offer on the website, like how to drive a stick or how to fix your car; the problem is just that all of the articles are reinforcing that these skills, at the end of the day, are meant for men. Their articles simply reinforce the same tired stories about manliness and masculinity that have been perpetuated for centuries: that men need to be physically strong and powerful, that they need to know how to do shit. Limiting all of these skills and resources to the realm of men keeps the age-old sexist trope that men need to be in charge and powerful.
Their whole premise is that there is this long lost art of manliness, that no one teaches men how to be gentlemen anymore while at the same time they claim that they want men and women to be equal. There is no equality or liberation when all of these useful or even necessary skills are mandatory for self-respecting men and only men. It’s peculiar (not really surprising, though) that they don’t believe it’s a tragedy that this knowledge has been historically hidden from women and kept from them on purpose in order to keep them dependent on men. By labeling these skills as “manly” keeps them in the hands of men and continues to separate women from self-sufficiency.
All in all, this website does a great job of tiptoeing really close to the line of what could be stereotypically categorized as gay (referring to gay men, of course) without crossing it. Without ever mentioning it, they make it very clear that real men must in no way be feminine, that men should be able to do things that come very close to being feminine or don’t fit into man box, but they should never, ever lose their manliness, at all costs.
And while we’re at it, in world of AOM, gay men exist as the “other”, but only in their community posts since there isn’t a single edited post from the authors themselves that even mention the existence of gay men. Since the conversation is about the art of manliness, gay men are placed on the outside because they don’t fit into the images or values of the straight, white, retrosexual family values.
And now the moment you’ve all been waiting for: how does The Art of Manliness feel about feminism? Well, here’s a start:
“Men’s irrelevancy is due in a large part to the feminist movement. I think society owes a great deal to feminism. I don’t think any of us would want to live in a world where the only aspiration a woman has is becoming a wife and a mother. Thanks to feminism, women have more choices and men and women are seen as equals. I like feminism so much, I married a feminist and I unequivocally believe in the equality of the sexes.
From what we’ve seen this is a pretty standard statement that they’ve repeated in other posts and interviews. It’s a classic move, really. They are very careful about saying “we think it’s great that women have made progress! And that they have more options like careers and equal pay (um, er) – that’s not our problem. We don’t want them to lose their progress; we don’t want anything to change for us. We want women to be our equals, we just don’t want to feel threatened by it or actually deal with any of the changes that come with the reality of women’s liberation or be accountable for our privilege. Now, can’t we just saddle up our horses, pack our brandy, and have a nice picnic together in the 1890s?
Here’s another thought from one of the authors:
“Could we perhaps say that equality shouldn’t mean embracing and outdoing men in things that were traditionally considered masculine? That making out with other chicks for attention and lifting your shirt for beads and getting smashed and burping the alphabet and dressing in sweat suits really has very little to do with being “liberated?”
Seriously, where did this guy get his information about feminism? ‘Cause it totally seems like maybe he googled it once and the rest of his information was gathered over time via stereotypes and anti-feminist cartoon strips. I guess it’s pretty easy to hide behind the fact that his wife identifies as a feminist (even though, she must ascribe to a very particular definition to be able to write for this blog without exploding). Obviously, if he listened to any of his feminist critics (and it seems pretty obvious that they have critics) he would actually have learned something about feminism instead of assuming that he knows everything there is to know about an extremely complex, multi-dimensional political movement(s).
Oh, and you should really watch this TEDxTulsa talk given by Brett McKay. You’re really going to love it.
In a way, McKay has a lot of good points: that the virtues of courage, self-reliance, nurturing friendships are all positive attributes that men would benefit greatly from having more of. Absolutely. The problem is that he places so much emphasis on the difference between men and women, claims all of these attributes for masculinity juxtaposing them against attributes which he scorns such as passivity, weakness, and softness – characteristics that have always been associated with femininity. In this way, sure he has some points, but at the end of the day he is still reinforcing a definition of masculinity that says that doing anything that is associated with women diminishes your worth as a man. And that is the idea that has oppressed women and will continue to oppress women as long as it exists. Dressing it up by attaching it to virtue and honor will not change that fact.
On a similar, but different note, this shift backwards, this “Menaissance” hinders men, as well. Celebrating the fact that Teddy Roosevelt gave a speech for 90 minutes right after he was shot in the chest as an example of how a man committed to the “strenuous life” is supposed to act. Asking men to ignore their wounds (whether emotional or physical) in the name of toughness and grit is not something that will positively impact the health and well-being of men or society. Must men continue to ignore the fact that they are just as fragile and in need of help, at times, as women? The longer men refuse to express their needs and admit that they are not bulletproof, the longer we will all suffer due to their need to prove themselves as powerful and dominant.
So, if the Art of Manliness wants to use its vast knowledge of the history of masculinity for good and they want to return to the times when men were honorable and virtuous in order to help men become more accountable for their actions, more accountable for the messed up shit that patriarchy has given the world, then we would invite them to do so. If they really want a better society for men and they are in support of equality, then we ask: why don’t you put your money where your pipe is?
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It’s unclear exactly why this blog would upset you. Does it offend you for different people of different value systems to talk amongst themselves? Why should the authors of a site about reclaiming masculinity address modern gender bending at all? — this site is not written for these other identities. The site is about men who wish to address and improve themselves — there is not a need for every website to do 6 politically correct steps to the side for every point it tries to make.
Do you really want to live in that kind of world?
Further, I think that you nice ladies ought to consider that not everybody who doesn’t describe to the frankly absurd notion that men and women are the same save for societal expectations is out to oppress all women.
But then, that is the chief hallmark of feminism — a very callow and juvenile focus on oneself and ones own desires above all else. Not everything that anybody says about anything has some implication on sexual justice.
Also, must a masculine man and feminine woman pairing be denigrated in much the same way as you might claim gay relationships are? Does the woman need to be scolded for not being “enlightened” and “emancipated,” or for regressing the sex? Should the relationship be called “retrosexual” and relegated to an area of suspician wherein the unspoken thought lies below the surface that there must be some true feelings scarcely hidden that would explode this quaint arrangement, some repressed sexual “modernism” straining to break out in scandalous glory so we can all declare “I knew it was all fake!”
Hey Cody, I want to start off with thanking you for engaging in dialogue about this post. This appreciation comes from the assumption that you are seriously interested in having a discussion, and not simply blowing off steam, because your manly feelings are wounded by the critique, opinions and expressions of these two reflective women.
Before I address the viewpoints that you brought up, I feel compelled to first bring light to your extremely condescending tone and clearly privileged perspective. I think you nice ladies ought to consider? Seriously, dude? Here comes Mr. Man with the intelligence and social enlightenment to educate those inferior nice ladies with what they should consider. As though this is not something that have already thought about. As though, this is not the type of work that they do every day. As though these are not things they consider each and every time they write a blog piece. Men do this to women all the time. Even the gentlemanly types that Art of Manliness purports to reestablish in society.
On to your points.
1. I think it is very clear why the blog upsets them, they have over a 1000 characters explaining it.
2. The AOM opened itself up to feminist critique when they went so far as to blame feminism for the downfall of men and masculinity. If you spent any time researching the site (as these bloggers did), it is this nostalgic reclamation of gentlemanly traits that AOM proposes as a solution. That solution is tired, old, outdated and damaging to women and men alike. AOM had the opportunity to do something really cool and interesting. They really did. But they missed the mark by far! Try looking up the Healthy Masculinity Action Project and you might find a better alternative and solutions. Or you could also try reading, The Art of a Nostalgic Manliness.
3. There is a need for every website and individual person to think critically and come to new solutions that don’t call for an unequal balance of power between the sexes. Yes, we do want to live in that kind of world. I think that you don’t because it might make life a little more challenging and a little less privileged for you.
4. You obviously don’t know much about feminism(s) or its many faucets. Your scope is clearly extremely limited and juvenile. Sir, I think you ought to consider reading, Feminism is For Everybody by bell hooks. That’s a great starting point.
5. I don’t see a single line in this blog that proposes that women and men are the same. As a matter of fact, I think that you might be a little confused by the word equal (equality). Perhaps try to use the word equity instead, to have a little bit of a better understanding. No one is born completely equivalent or identical. We are all born with genetic codes for certain heights, weights, musculatures, with different capacities and capabilities, with distinctive bodily abilities, in a broad range of social classes that afford us specific privileges and opportunities. I could go on, but I think we understand the point. Women vary from one another in their capacities, desires and drive. Men vary from one another. Men and women differ from one individual to the next. We can respect that without placing expectations of value and worth upon these characteristics, and then, dare I say, treat everyone with respect, dignity and fairness.
6. And yes, it really is all fake and socially constructed. This is what has given relationships the power to change throughout history, and what gives us the power, now, to redefine relationships (romantic and otherwise) based in equitable and ethical interactions.
Kristopher (Moderator)
This article makes some valid points, but I disagree with its assessment of AoM. It is a huge jump in logic to say that because a website promotes traditional aspects of masculinity like double-edged razors it is perpetuating a patriarchy.
First, yes the site has some lighthearted articles like why men should carry pocket knives, but it has a lot of very insightful articles analyzing our culture and how a man can become a better PERSON. I use “person” rather than man deliberately because the traits that AoM promotes, like integrity, generosity, and self-reliance are not masculine traits, and the website never insinuates that they are. Many women read the site (including my girlfriend) and don’t feel left out, because they look beyond the title of the website and are able to see that there are many useful lessons to be learned by men and women.
The fact is that this website reaches men in a way that other male-oriented websites like Askmen.com do, by focusing a message to a specific population to get their attention and bring them back for more (this is normal and ok; its called having a target audience). However, AoM does this WITHOUT objectifying women and slapping bikini-clad babes on its front page like many other male-oriented websites.
Moreover, it reaches men in a way a ‘gender-less’ website like this one can’t. On matters of masculinity and culture, men are more likely to listen to advice from other men – right-or-wrong that’s the way our culture is currently set up. AoM can, and IS, taking advantage of this opportunity to provide well-written, well-researched articles about navigating relationships with honesty and integrity. That this piece vilifies AoM rather than celebrating it is incredibly nearsighted and damaging to this site’s credibility.
The authors of this piece would like to live in a world where there are no gender distinctions (I’d like to too) but they are not going to get it by attacking progressive sites like AoM. They are only alienating more men.
Thanks for your comment, Jack, but it seems as though you’ve missed to point. The argument made here is that AoM discredits and dismisses feminists and feminism under the guise of promoting masculine arts or whatever, and that’s not any sort of progressive or responsible masculinity. It’s also just not cool.
There are, and we said so, several parts of AoM that have some validity. Many of your points were addressed either in the piece itself or in the other comments. Please read them.
Last, please know that this is NOT, by any stretch of the imagination, a “genderless site”. Please read the rest of the blog, and the commenting policy before commenting further. Thanks.
Haven, I have read other pieces on your blog. I’ve also read the commenting policy. Please tell me how my comment is “hurtful, harmful, or oppressive.” Because I disagreed with the article? Your policy says I am free to do that. Rather than dismissing my comment, which DOES bring up new points, should be promoting a discussion. Unfortunately, that doesn’t seem to be your style.
Regarding my “genderless site” comment, I was trying to draw juxtaposition between sites oriented towards men or women, versus sites that are oriented towards both, like this site.
Which brings up a good point (check it out – this one is NEW) who is the target audience for this article? Is it men who read AoM? If so, your tone and their argument certainly isn’t going to change AoM readers’ minds. Is it feminists? Why? So they can use these arguments to convince some man at a cocktail party that the website is sexist? Seems like a waste of time to me.
Sometimes it can seem like sexism is everywhere, but its not on AoM. Fight the real enemy, don’t just nit-pick a site that is genuinely trying to do good and improve peoples lives.
Now why doesn’t someone write an article about AskMen.com?
Jack, to add to Leah’s previous point, our interest in writing this blog post (and many other posts at UpRoot) is to challenge everyday misogyny and sexism. Yes, AskMen.com is clearly misogynistic and capitalizes on the objectification of women. However, as we have all pointed out, there are many good things about AoM, but they still tend to participate in sexism, heterosexism, and a strict adherence to dominant gender roles, though they might do it more subtly. This is part of the reason that Leah and I wrote this article. Our hope is that men who read art of manliness can appreciate some of the valuable and fun information there, which is often obtained through very meticulous research, while still criticizing some of the not-so-progressive ideas that the blog espouses. In this way, I do not believe that we are “attacking” the site, we just expect more from a site that claims to be “progressive” and for progressive men.
As for the last paragraph of your first comment, it is also my belief that AoM actually succeeds in alienating many men who do not identify with the nostalgic hegemonic masculinity that is portrayed through many of the articles on site. It is not our intention to alienate men, but to cause them to question the privilege and gender roles that they take for granted.
I hope this clears up some of your issues with the article.
-Kathryn
Kathryn and Leah,
Thank you for responding to the topics in my comments. Although I still stand by my original statements, I can see where you both are coming from. Like your article, I am just trying to bring up an alternative point of view and have a discussion. I assume that based on your writing style and tone you are not the original “HAVEN” that responded to my first comment, who honestly came across as defensive and overly temperamental. This attitude can smother discussion, rather than facilitating it. I respect what your site is working to achieve even if I do disagree with the aims of the article itself.
Jack, Art of Manliness, as we mentioned in our original post, explicitly and directly misrepresents feminism. The owner of the site has said numerous things that directly attempt to discredit feminists and has made statements that are egregiously wrong and perpetuate harmful stereotypes about how feminism “emasculates” men. That’s a big reason that we wrote the article. It’s not harmless. And personally I expected more of a website like AoM. I expect nothing from AskMen.com. Sexism is the “real” enemy and there is plenty of sexism over at AoM.
Sorry you feel that way Leah! Nevertheless, I think you’re right! Sexism is real and dangerous!